Ireland :(

Sheila Struthers

Well-known member

Better Outcomes, Brighter Futures is the first overarching national policy framework for children and young people (aged 0-24 years), developed and led by the Minister for Children and Youth
Affairs on behalf of the Government. Almost all policy areas have a direct or indirect effect on children and young people’s lives. The purpose of this framework is to coordinate policy across
Government to achieve better outcomes.
You know the rest....
Oh here we go:

The views of children and young people will be sought and will influence decisions about their own lives and wellbeing, service delivery and policy priorities.
How long before they start to look at Home Ed through the 'wellbeing' prism?


GIRFEC viral infection. Same old outcomes. Lots of colourful boxes on page 4 but can't find any mention of a named person (yet).

Our vision is to make Ireland the best small country in the world in which to grow up.
Hasn't Aileen claimed that nonsensical accolade for Scotland, despite having helped turn it into the most dumbed down nation in the modern world?

Sheila Struthers

Well-known member
There is a longer version here

Haven't read it properly yet but no surprises :yawn:

The next critical step is better collection, coordination and use of real-time data to inform decision-making, planning, resourcing and policy. With better use of data, we will be able to be more responsive to changing demographics and emerging needs, and to ensure decision-making is based on evidence. Combining learning from research studies conducted in Ireland and internationally on what works’(and in what circumstances)
should enable more efficient and effective use of resources and lead to better outcomes for children and young people.

The Government commits to:
[Note: Government department/agency responsible for action in brackets, with lead agency
indicated in bold]

G54. Address information-sharing issues across sectors and strengthen the integration of
data systems, including, where appropriate, through utilisation of the Public Sector
Identifier for children to support greater use of data to inform policy, planning and
service development. (DPER, DCYA, DH, DES, DSP, HSE, Tusla)
My bold.
Hmmm. An awful lot of young Irish people left the country for pastures new after the collapse of the Anglo Irish Bank. Not sure that outcomes based policy will tempt them back. Except, of course, that most Irish are likely are to have found work in the Anglo American world where these data mining systems are increasingly common.

The curse, in my humble view, is the monetisation of personal data by our American cousins.

How do we develop a counter argument to the mass collection of personal data so powerful that Government will change it's mind on the whole issue?


Well-known member
The curse, in my humble view, is the monetisation of personal data by our American cousins.
It's not just the Americans. British companies, if anything, are ahead of the Americans in this department and there are numerous British innovations in data mining & use that would put the Americans to shame. British companies have had to be more innovative because of the higher level of privacy provided under EU and British law and they've stepped up their game in recent years. It was the British who came up with, for example, rubbish bins in London that collected and tracked pings that mobile phones send out, recorded the MAC address of those devices, tracked their progress through the city, associated those MAC addresses with specific social media accounts when possible (and, therefore, personal profiles), extracted business valuable intelligence from the routes taken and the personal profiles .... and sold that to businesses. This is a very sophisticated operation that mobile users in the city did not even realise was happening. They didn't need to log in to any wi-fi for this data to be collected from them. They did not need to agree any terms. They did not get anything in return for all the data they were giving away. That's just one example of what British companies have come up with - they are pioneers when it comes to exploiting data.

How do we develop a counter argument to the mass collection of personal data so powerful that Government will change it's mind on the whole issue?
Govt won't change its mind as long as it's run by cronies of big businesses. I'm talking here about not just the Tories. Labour's even worse because it's run by the big businesses (that give ex-Labour MPs lucratives jobs and contracts), but gives the impression it's a party for the common man. So we need to stop voting in the usual jackasses - Labour, Conservative and LDs - and vote for and campaign for those candidates who believe in our position and don't need to tow the tribal party lines. Or vote for and campaign for the Libertarian Party.

The law needs to be stronger. The ICO needs teeth. Wrist slap penalties need to be dispensed with in favour of business crippling fines and jail terms (Google would be bankrupt today if they had to pay "proper" fines for all their data violations instead of the peanuts they got away with paying). Current political parties won't provide any of that.